Vegetarianism

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Vegetarianism?

  1. I'm for it.

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  2. I'm not for it.

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  1. Virre

    Virre Level IV

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    That has very little to do with this, as many Christians (as well as followers of most religions) have a personal belief in God that is not solely based on the Bible.
    Protestants for example, usually don't belive in most things that are said in the Bible, but focuze more on their personal belief.
     
  2. cardenal

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    ^^ this is the part of your post that I was trying to make an answer to. it turned into a bit of a rant/ramble.

    Basically. God created [influenced the creation of] the bible. God created us to be moral, ethical beings. in the bible they made religious sacrifices, where the flesh of the animal was not eaten.

    why would he deem it necessary [because religious sacrifices were necessary in order to go to heaven] to brutally slay a creature he had blessed with a conciousness.
    which is more moral, and ethical. killing an animal and gaining from it some sort of nourishment, or just killing it on a whim?

    Ok, there, tried to get my point across without going into an insane ramble, does that make more sense? :)
     
  3. Virre

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    But why would he be okay with us slaying other councious beings when we can gain the nourishment from plants? That's where it fails.
     
  4. cardenal

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    so, you're not arguing with my logic, you're arguing with Gods logic.
    I have no idea why it would be ok to kill another animal. One could argue that animals aren't really sentient beings, and that they only seem intelligent because they're bred for survival.

    and animals eat other animals. and thats not exactly friendly. some animals eat their prey while they're still alive

    [OT: has anyone seen that thing about how in Japan, I think, they take a live fish, dip it in boiling oil, put it on a plate (still alive, and flapping its gills in an attempt to breathe) so that customers can it eat it while it's still alive? that is just cruel...]
     
  5. Virre

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    Well yes and no, I was mainly arguing with LotusChild98's logic, but then I felt that I had to reply to your post since it was strictly assuming that the bible is the only thing that is used to measure moral and ethics for many Christians, which isn't the case.

    Then that would go for us to, which means that we have all the right in the world to not only take animals' lives, but also each others.
    The main difference that philosophers seem to agree on regarding animal ethics, is that we are superior to animals because we are able to do actions that are based on moral and ethics, such as helping people you don't know. And I agree, many (all) animals lack the ability to make these kind of decisions.
    But by having this ability, we also get a certain responsibility to ensure that we are making ethical and moral decisions. If we are superior to some other beings, this don't give us the right to kill them, on the contrary, it gives us responsibility to take care of them, and protect them, from ourselves if not from other animals.

    Yes they do, but these animals don't know better. The few of them that can actually survive on a strictly vegetarian or vegan diet can't come up with this thought themselves, since they can't do research, they can't understand the information we provide them, they're wild, etc.

    I think the third liberation will be the animal liberation.
    The first was the liberation of slaves (based on skin colour).
    The second was the liberation of women.
    Unless there's another group I've missed?
     
  6. Laurababs

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    I've tried going vegetarian because in a way i think its wrong. But i cant give up my meat :( I have cut down though.
     
  7. soccermadness90

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    if you believe in something you should persevere.

    But i do find it weird that you find eating meat wrong and still cannot give it up.
     
  8. cardenal

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    thats like knowing that drugs/alcohol is bad, but still not being able to give it up
     
  9. ukrainianpwn1

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    I dont think its wrong to eat meat but some vegetarians dont either they might eat it to live a healthy lifestyle
     
  10. foxygrampa2012

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    YEAHHHAHHHHH
    i am a vegan
    i love veganism
    i've been a vegan for the past 40 years
    my granddaughter was just born yesterday
    with a lightening bolt on her forehead
     
  11. Spawned

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    voted not for it but idk ... maybe with da technology now it can be replaced but meat is a part of allimentation that we can't neglect ... so ... idk lol
     
  12. soccermadness90

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    but meat is not like drugs and alcohol it is not addictive. It cant be spoken in the same light.
     
  13. Spawned

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    well for me it is lol :p
     
  14. soccermadness90

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    meat is addictive to you? Seriously i think that that is not possible. It does not have any components that will give it an addictive nature. I guess you just like to eat meat and that i dont think can be considered as being addicted to meat.
     
  15. ExcitedGlut

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    I think Vegetarianism is pretty stupid... seriously

    Meat tastes good and guess what? If we didn't kill animals they would overpopulate the world since they breed so much.
     
  16. derrick

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    vegeterianism is a lifestyle...people dont eat animals because they think its wrong.
     
  17. ExcitedGlut

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    I have to disagree on "Vegeterianism is a lifestyle"... Its only an eating prefrence, nothing else
     
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    I think some people live to eat.. and some people eat to live..

    I'm sure it's the same with vegetarians
     
  19. ExcitedGlut

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    I don't see how thats possible... especially because the main reason there are Vegetarians is because they think eating once living things is wrong :|
     
  20. klae17

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    OK, from biology, a cow eats 66 pounds of food a day, and 256 gallons of water to support it self, a day!

    Thats what we are wasting in order to get our meat.
     
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