I specifically went searching for this topic and noticed it was locked, being a noob I have no idea how/if you can get into a locked forum so, I created a new one. This is a topic I feel strongly about and know that not many individuals of the general public have thought about it. I hadn't for a long time. Did you know that over half (51%) of New Yorkers (mostly made up of the victims' families) believe that Bush and the government knew about, if not had a hand in, the 9/11 terrorist attacks? And did you also know that under the Patriot Act, which was signed shortly after 9/11, (yet, mysteriously already laid out 2 days before 9/11, incase of some kind of terrorist attack) we as American citizens signed away over half of our guarenteed rights listed in the first 10 amendments to the constitution? (the Bill of Rights) We have all heard about the Phone Tapping, but have you heard about the satellite they sent into space in September of this year that can actually take a black and white photograph of anyone, anywhere, at any time, INSIDE THEIR HOMES using infrared technology? Or of the Audio Devices set up all around New York that can pin point a single voice frequency for up to 3 miles away? And what's all this for? To "Protect Us." From, what? More staged terror attacks that the government set up/allowed to happen to thousands of innocent civilians, in order to scare us into giving up our rights. I know that it sounds like science fiction or a line out of the book 1984, but it's all true, you can even read about it on the White House Website! Here's another interesting FACT: The government air patrol just so happened to be running a DRILL on the morning of 9/11 that involved the possibility of JET PLANES HITTING THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, PENTAGON, OR CAPITOL. When the attacks started, VP DICK CHENEY TOLD THE AIR PATROL TO "STAND DOWN". PLANES HIT: THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, THE PENTAGON, AND WOULD HAVE HIT THE CAPITOL HAD ONE OF THE GOVERNMENT AIR PATROL PIOLOTS NOT DISOBEYED ORDERS AND SHOT DOWN THE PLANE! That's not where it ends.. Do you remember the terrorist attack on the train station in England? They Also JUST SO HAPPENED to be running a DRILL on what to do if a terrorist attack were to happen AT THAT VERY TRAIN STATION, ON THAT VERY MORNING!! (This is simply fact, not meant to point the finger at English Parliament). Not convinced yet, right? Ok here comes the concrete evidence: NEVER IN HISTORY HAS A STEEL BUILDING COLLAPSED DUE TO FIRE, even building that have been burning for TEN DAYS. Lists of physicists have stated that jet fuel burning at it's highest degree possible would still be nearly 1000 C degrees too cool to melt steel. Watch the footage of the Twin Towers collapsing. Each took less than 10 seconds to fall. And the fires were almost out! Watch it and you tell me if it seems logical. How many of you even know about Building Seven? Never Heard of it? Go Look it up. Read about in the 9/11 Commission Report. WATCH THE FOOTAGE OF THAT! Tell me why you think the government tried to cover that up? Because it would be IMPOSSIBLE for a STEEL BUILDING to COLLAPSE IN ON ITSELF from fires on only TWO FLOORS. Militia Officials, Government Leaders, and even some SURVIVING EMPLOYEES of the World Trade Center were WARNED ON 9/10 NOT TO GO TO WORK/TO STAY AWAY FROM THE BUILDING ON 9/11 because there was going to be "AN EVENT." AND ANYONE WHO MARCHES IN NEW YORK (PEACEFUL PROTEST- SAME STRATEGY MARTAIN LUTHER KING, JR. USED) IS TO BE BEATEN INTO SUBMISSION, ARRESTED, AND TO BE CONTAINED IN A "HOLDING AREA" FOR UP TO 24 HOURS. THIS "HOLDING AREA" IS AN ASBESTIS-FILLED, FILTHY, OLD ABANDONED BUILDING, DEEMED A "DANGEROUS HEALTH HAZARD." PROTESTORS HAVE REPORTED NAUSEA, VOMITING, SEVERE SKIN RASHES AND CHEMICAL BURNS, AND LUNG DAMAGE. (STARTING TO SOUND LIKE A CONCENTRATION CAMP TO YOU, TOO?) The Government regulates what we see, hear, and know. The Government approves of what is shown on our news stations. Every generations turns out thousands of bright, young minds. Lets be the generation to be the change! It's time to turn off the TV and look into things for ourselves.
If that all is true, then I definitely believe in it. Do you know that Bush makes the ''hail Satan'' figure quite often ? Just google it.. But I do think that the WTC could've collapsed because the walls were broken..
I had no idea about that "drill" that the air patrol were running on that day. As for the towers collapsing, I had a look at this page http://www.channel4.com/science/microsi ... owers.html Even if fire wasn't the cause for the collapse of the tower, I'd imagine a plane crashing into it would cause a lot of damage. It sure looked like it did. And on that page, it says that it took 102 and 53 minutes for the towers to fall after the planes crashing. Even if the fires were dying down, it could have been a combination of the fires weakening the structure along with the damage caused by the planes crashing into them. Just because the fires are dying down, doesn't mean the the steel hasn't already been weakened by them. They may not have been hot enough to melt them, but perhaps the heat caused was enough to structurally weaken the steel.
Here are two interesting documentaries that discuss some of the points you've made: Zeitgeist and 911 Mysteries Demolitions. They're both very interesting and I have to say that they've both changed my view on the 9/11. I dont think it's any doubt about it being set up, the evidence is just too overwhelming. If you drop well.. anything, from the twin tower, it takes around 8 seconds or so for it to reach the ground. The floors were collapsing at almost free fall, that's not possible when it meets resistance. Unless something was blowing away the resistance in advance. That and much more explained in the videos =)
Im not American and didn't believe it at fiest but After watching the video "Loose Change" (youtube) im not so sure. check it out.
Since this isn't my forte in science, http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm this is a site attempting to explain it. But really, you can find just about anything on the net, including why the whole 9/11 event was very suspicious.
Personally, I don't think the government had anything to do with it. I'm not saying Bush hasn't made a few bad decisions. I just don't think he's the type person to let that happen.
Actually, no one has ever claimed that the steel melted. Steel loses over half it's strength at the temperature at which jet fuel burns. This fact, combined with massive structural damage, caused the collapse. Loose Change is not a source you want to be citing in a debate. There were a large number of protocols and training drills centered around potential terrorist attacks on the WTC because, if you remember, they have been attacked before. I would remind you that no one was aware of any terrorist activity until after the second plane had hit the towers and the hijacking of a third plane was confirmed. There was simply no reason to shoot down a large passenger jet flying over a populated city.
i heard there were some planes taken down by the air force but thats confidential i also heard one of the planes was supposed to hit the CN tower
remember as well, the towers had huge planes inside them lol...think that might weight them down a bit.
What about there being virtually no leftovers from the plane that hit Pentagon? Could someone debunk that please?
yea i had heard that weird eh...mibbie peeps should read this http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... tml?page=1 jus a counter argument to the conspiracy theories
I let my dad read it all, and he agreed after seeing building seven collapse. If anyone isn't convinced, you surely have to watch that video indeed.
To the first point. Sources? I'm just wondering where this "fact" came from. Second point. When else in History has a plane with jet fuel hit such a large building? To many variables to consider when dealing with something that has never happened before. Everything sounds good in theory but theories have been proven wrong and under such circumstances it would be hard to predict the out come. Also haven't read any 9-11 reports in a while but was the cause of the building's collapsing due to melting steel? If it was then I could see some truth in that. Third Point. Again Sources? Any credible sources to back that claim? That is a HUGE claim being made any credible sources?(Emphasis on credible). Lastly is this information given things you've researched yourself (ie: looked through many theories on the 9-11 attacks and through them together) or did you just copy and paste the whole "conspiracy" from another source? Just wondering. I don't mean to bash or anything so please don't take it that way I'm just looking at it from a logical stand point. *Side note* Just saw the building 7 collapse very interesting when compared to controlled demolitions. However just wondering all I've seen when people compare Building 7 to a controlled demolition I see no videos of uncontrolled demolitions.
Although this site doesn't necessarily contain sources to all arguments posted by brittbratt12290, it contains sources to a documentary that brings up several of the most common conspiracy theories regarding 9/11. Sources. And here's the movie if you're interested in watching it. You might want to skip part 1, as it really doesn't bring up any of the 9/11 theories. Here's another movie about 9/11. I'm still hoping that someone can debunk the Pentagon plane for me. =)
the whole conspiracy thing is a big fake. we all know what happened, and its a terrible thing to believe anything other.
yeah i think 9/11 was all planned out base on the evidence there was also people who work for demolitions watch the video and said that the building was taking down by tnts that were put in the order as if the building was preparing to be taken down
If that all is true, then I definitely believe in it. Do you know that Bush makes the ''hail Satan'' figure quite often ? Just google it.. But I do think that the WTC could've collapsed because the walls were broken..
yeah i think 9/11 was all planned out base on the evidence there was also people who work for demolitions watch the video and said that the building was taking down by tnts that were put in the order as if the building was preparing to be taken down