STAY ON FUCKING TOPIC! DO YOU JUST LOVE BEING A HYPOCRITE! YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ON THE DEBATE THREAD "Was 9/11 an inside job"! Like lmao, lol lololololololol yo dumb dumb like did joo drwop out hike skewl or sometin?
I've watched 'Loose Change' and I've been the forums. And I have yet to find any credible citations for the presented information, please, if you have them, post them for all of us to view. That's all I'm asking; if you have links to documents or confirmed reports, share them here. People aren't going insane because of the ideas and theories you apparent "truth-seekers" present, it's because that the only sources you can provide to those with very little credibility and texts that are taken out of context and manpulated to support the theories. And I know Iraq and Hussein had nothing to do with the attacks on our country on 9/11. I said that many, many times. They are two seperate unrelated subjects that are not to be confused with one another. And it wasn't President Bush that suggested that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, it was various intelligence agencies around the world, which led President Bush and the coalition to go to war in Iraq, but that's not were are debating here, so... All of this talk about the laws of physics and motion is circumstantial. You say that the building would have come down floor by floor, and it's clear in Loose Change and other videos that it did in fact come down floor by floor, which is also why it collapsed as quickly as it had. As the building's support beams etc became weak from the inferno within and the impact of the aircraft, the floors above the impact would not be supported by anything and thus, all of those floors would come down all at once. The momentum of those floors coming down would smash into the next supported floor, and the next, and the next. As this happened the weight and momentum of all of the floors would be so great, that the speed of the falling floors would be drastically increased. There is further evidence, and all civil engineers that have studied that collapses agree that, the apparents "blasts" that can be seen when looking closley at the videos of the buildings as they are coming down are nothing more than compressed air being forced out of the building as the floors came down. Furthermore, controlled demolitions of a building take months and months to plan and prepare for and the explosives for those demolitions are placed throughout a building in pre-weakened spots; in addition to that overwhelming evidence against your theories, any demolitions expert will tell you that controlled demolitions are done from the ground up, not from the top down. And as for why demoliton experts and their companies were at Ground Zero after the collapses -- who in the world has more experience of cleaning up a fallen building than those firms? Also, there is no solid evidence to show that the buildings collapsed in 10 seconds because of the enormous clouds of dust which inhibited the view of the falling buildings -- even though that it is completely plausible that they may have fallen that quickly because of the weight and momentum of the falling floors. The cordite, not "chlordite" as there is no such thing, and why two, yes just two, people smelt it can not be expained. Like much of what happened in the opening minutes of each attack, things were very chaotic and nobody knew what was really going on. Even Donald Rumsfeld said that his first thought was that a bomb had gone off. There is no doubt that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon. The Loose Change video prooves this itself. There is no missle in the world that can manuver in a way that it can take out five light posts on its way to The Pentagon -- and without exploding? Also, there are countless eyewitnesses that said they saw the plane flying overhead before it crashed into the Pentagon. I do submit though that the apparent smell of cordite can not be explained except that perhaps the thought of a bomb exploding at the Pentagon may have some effect on them to make them believe things that were not true in reality.
Why would bush go through all that trouble just to get into more trouble? You cant really belive anything of what you hear on the internet or on the news as its all controlled by the liberals who are trying to hype all this up.
Here is proof, merry X-MAS. 9/11 - 6:47am, WTC 7's fire alarm is placed on 8 hr 'test' mode which any alarms received are ignored. (NIST) WTC landlord Larry Silverstein says he gets a call from a fire chief about the WTC 7 and he recommends to him to 'pull it' and after they 'decided to pull,' they all watched the 7 collapse. (PBS video) A medical student watching the WTC 7 hears a clap of thunder, sees a shockwave rippling through it and windows bust out, then sees the bottom floor cave out followed by the rest of the building. (1010 WINS video @1:22) A Ground Zero rescuers mentions that the WTC 7 will be 'coming down soon' as he walks away from the area. (CNN video @2:20) Deputy Chief Nick Visconti says Chief Frank Fellini responded to him saying WTC 7 'imminent collapse' and they moved the command post over because WTC 7 is 'coming down'. (Firehouse Magazine Teresa Veliz on the 47th floor of the WTC 1 feels the building shake again more violently then the shaking from the 1st crash and hears explosions going off everywhere inside the building and also hears explosions when she was outside that she was convinced bombs were 'planted all over the place' and that someone was 'sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons.' (September 11: An Oral History EMT Jeff Birnbaum near the South Tower says he heard an eerie high-pitched noise and a 'popping sound' then an explosion before the top of the tower leaned toward him and started coming down. (CEE News) Firefighter Edward Cachia says the South Tower gave at a lower floor then where the plane hit because they thought there was internal explosions going off from hearing successions of 'boom, boom, boom, boom' before the tower came down. (NY Times) Mike Pecoraro and co-worker hear a loud explosion in WTC 1 basement and believes a bomb went off after seeing major damage to the basement floors. (Chief Engineer) Sept 10 - The roofs at the WTC are closed. (911DigitalArchive) 9/11 - Exit doors to the WTC's roofs are locked, preventing people to escape on to the roof. (NIST) Sept 9 - NORAD conducts operation 'Northern Vigilance,' planned months in advance, which deploys fighter jets to Alaskan region. (NORAD, Toronto Star) 9/11 - Three F-16 jetfighters from Andrews AFB, 15 miles from Pentagon, are flown 180 miles away for training mission in the morning. (Aviation Week) 9/11 - Andrews AFB, home to DC Air National Guard and Air Force 1 & 2, had no jetfighters on alert. (Newsday, USA Today) 9/11 - US intel agency planned exercise in the morning to simulate plane crash into government building. (Boston Globe, USA Today) 9/11 - NORAD was running war game called 'Vigilant Guardian' in which the commander in charge thought first hijacking was "part of the exercise." (Aviation Week, NY Observer) 9/11 - FAA bans takeoffs at 9:26 am for all civilian, military, or law enforcement aircraft (FAA, Time) 9/11 - A simulated aircraft hijacking was scheduled for the morning by NORAD. (Vanity Fair) 9/11 - Shoot-down authorization not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 crashed. (9/11 Panel, Seattle Post) Feb '05 - Donald Rumsfeld, Gen. Myers confirm there were at least four war games on 9/11 from Rep. McKinney questioning. (C-SPAN) 1999 - NORAD starts conducting exercises in which airplanes are hijacked and crashed into targets which include the WTC and Pentagon (USA Today), April '01 - NORAD requested a war games event of having a terrorist group hijack a commercial airline and fly it into the Pentagon. (Boston Globe) Oct '00 - Pentagon conducts emergency training exercises of a mock passenger plane crash into the Pentagon. (Army) June '01 - Attorney General John Ashcroft stops flying commercial aircrafts because of a 'threat assessment'. (CBS) June '01 - Terrorist act exercise involving an explosion is conducted near the Pentagon to test first team's 'external response.' (Military District of Washington) July '01 - Twin 400 ft gas tanks near WTC are imploded by Controlled Demolition Inc. who will later do clean-up at Ground Zero. (Queens Gazette, Phillyblast) Aug '01 - Raytheon and US Air Force successfully land pilot-less Boeing 727 using military GPS landing system that enables ground control to take control of hijacked plane. (Der Spiegel, Raytheon) Aug 30 - Dept of Transportation conducts exercise involving high-jacked plane and a cell phone from it among other aspects of the scenario that one participants describes as being 'very strange' when the actual event happened on 9/11. (MTI) Sept '01 - 25,000 British troops ensemble in Oman near Afghanistan for 'Operation Swift Sword' and will help US in attacking OBL. (BBC, Telegraph) Sept 3 - Author Salman Rushdie given US air ban. (Ananova) Sept 4 - An Israeli owned shipping company moves out of the WTC. (Virginian-Pilot, Real Estate Weekly) Sept 5 - US pulls the plug on Muslim websites. (Guardian, BBC) Sept 7 - Jeb Bush puts the Florida National Guard on alert (WorldNetDaily, MyFlorida.com), Sept 10-11 - President Bush is in FL, state that controversially handed him 2000 presidency (Telegraph), 9/11 - Jeb Bush declares state of emergency in FL immediately after 2nd tower fell (WorldNetDaily), At least 15 of the 19 hijackers have Florida ties. (Augusta Chronicle) Sept 8 - Marine Aviation group moves further away from where explosion at the Pentagon will happen. (Leatherneck) Sept 8 - Mock drill at Buffalo Niagara Airport simulated terrorists blowing up an aircraft containing 82 passengers and some of the participants will help at Ground Zero after 9/11. (Univ Buffalo, Highland Hose Volunteer Fire) Sept 10 - FEMA rescuer Tom Kenney says he was deployed to NYC late Monday night before going into action Tuesday morning, the day of the attacks. (CBS video) Sept 10 - Group of top Pentagon officials canceled travel plans for next morning because of 'security concerns'. (Newsweek) Sept 10 - San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives travel warning 8 hours before attacks. (SF Chronicle) Sept 10 - A rookie is asked to temporarily take command of the National Military Command Center inside Pentagon for Sept. 11. (9/11 Commission) 9/11 - Fort Belvoir near the Pentagon was conducting an exercise to test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack. (Connection Newspapers) 9/11 - An airport emergency operations exercise is being conducted at Fort Myer, a mile from the Pentagon. (MDW, DC Military) 9/11 - Employees at Israeli instant messaging company Odigo received text message warnings about attacks 2 hours prior. (Haaretz, Washington Post) 9/11 - Donald Rumsfeld predicts terrorist attack in US 2 minutes before 1st WTC plane crash (Fayetteville Observer), later predicts Pentagon crash minutes prior. (Telegraph) 9/11 - White House staff given Cipro, a full month before first cases of anthrax reported. (Washington Post) 9/11 - President Bush's cousin escaped death from the WTC thanks to a 'schedule change' the night before. (Ananova) 9/11 - Fiduciary Trust, located in the south WTC, had scheduled an emergency drill for the day. (NY Times) 9/11 - Larry Silverstein is absent from his office on the North Tower's 88th floor because of a 'doctors appointment' along with his two kids who are 'running late'. (NY Magazine, NY Observer) Sept 12 - FEMA was scheduled to participate in an attack drill in NYC. (9/11 Panel, NYC.gov) 1962 - US military drafted 'Operation Northwoods', a plan to commit terror acts in US cities, kill innocent people, hijack airplanes, and plant evidence as a way to trick the public into thinking Cuba committed an unprovoked attack against the US in order to support a war against Cuba. (ABC, Natl Security Archives) March '00 - Filming begins for The Lone Gunmen's 'Pilot' episode that depicts a US plot to crash an electronically hijacked Boeing 727 into WTC and blame foreign terrorists to provoke war and increase military's budget (KC Star), March '01 - 'Pilot' episode airs on FOX TV, 6 months before attacks (TV Guide), Lone Gunmen co-producer hopes WTC attack wasn't 'somehow inspired' by anything they did. (KC Star) *Note: Its against EMT and FIRE FIGHTERS RULES TO LIE, AND IF THEY LIED ABOUT THIS THEY COULD LOOSE THERE JOB. ALL FACTS COME STRAIT FROM KILLTOWNS POST. * http://www.physics911.net/kevinbarrett http://www.physics911.net/olmsted http://www.physics911.net/thermite http://killtown.911review.org/ http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite http://www.loosechange911.com How would he get in trouble if he didnt get cought? and fyi liberals are not trying to hype this up. Look at the links above, and you will see. I will post math if needs be to PROVE. :roll:
that's by far the most ridiculous thing that has been posted in this thread (which is saying a LOT). The majority of media outlets are owned and controlled by individuals who identify themselves as conservatives. And those that aren't are moderate, at best.
wow dutch.... if your sooooooo smart answer me this if the plane that crashed into the field was controlled from the ground how come the people were able to make it crash into a field??? or is that all a hoax too?
What?? That doesnt make sense at all...? I just learned that osma, and the CIA had very close connections. And in the operation northwoods the goverment payed castro's people to attack the US, soo mabey they payed osama to do it. Even then that would be a inside job, and pres bush, and any other connected with that would be in trouble. Because the chances of a guy in a cave that had no connections and did that on that very day all that happened at once is 1 in 1million. Saying thats no impossible just very very very rare. Soo until someone releases the offical story after pres bush gets out of the offices, we may never know sadly. :?
I don't think the government set it up but I do think that they knew it was going to happen but they decided to ignore it so they could use it as a reason to go to war. Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the twin towers so why were we even in Iraq? Bin Laden and Saddam didn't even like eachother.
Check my massive post out, there is proof. And below that click on the " operation NORTHWOOD " link, that alone is proof that our goverment WOULD do it.
they say its because of weapons of mass destruction, but so what!!! america has them too. these sites contain alot of information, credible information. enjoy http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
If it wasnt a inside job, and all those things happened on 9/11, and some guy in a cave did it and learned about all the war games and other stuff happening thats like a 1 in a 10 million thing.... Not to mention WTC7 was not hit by a plane, and the owner said they "pulled it".
This is laughable. I find this debate has moved far from how it was being conducted originally and it has moved more towards a bashing of others views of a very tragic event that took the lives of many American lives. For anybody that is out there thinking that any of this conspiracy theorists "facts" might actually have some truth to them, realize that there is no concrete evidence supporting the theories and that their so called "facts" are severely twisted, incomplete quotes taken out of context, interviews with so called "experts" that have no professional experience in regards to the questions being asked, and speculation. Also, if these conspiracies had any truth to them, do you really think the government would allow all their hard work to cover their tracks be uncovered by a couple of college students? I think not. Anybody that bashes Bush by claiming our government is responsible deserves to be hung -- especially Mr. Dylan Avery, who I might add couldn't even make it into a second tier film school. And to think, now he is responsible for all these conspiracies and government bashing nubs; oh how I am sure he is loving the attention he is getting now. I also have come to the conclusion that based on his complete arrogance and dismissal of anything that he just might be wrong about absolutely means that he himself doesn't truely believe the things he is saying and is just reaping the benefits of the attention he is now receiving. Who's really the brain washed one? And for anybody still out there that thinks 'Loose Change' might have some truth to it, check out these links, as they both completely eliminate any and all credibility Dylan Avery and 'Loose Change' have. 1) http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/ - Watch the three hour video on the site that tears 'Loose Change' down piece by piece. And why you're at it, why not check out all of the sources etc to see some real evidence from actual credible sources and experts in respective fields. 2) http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html - This is a lot like the video, put in text format and contains even further sources and information. 3) http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... 27842.html - Popular Mechanics' 'Debunking 9/11 Myths' article. The magazine interviewed experts and conducted actual research about the various topics they discuss and is presenting that evidence and their verdict here. 4) http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm - The NIST's investigation and reports. Why didn't 'Loose Change' use credible sources like all good investigators and reporters? Oh yeah, because it's all a bunch of fabricated bull shit. 5) http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/fullreport.pdf - And the grand daddy of them all. The 585 page report from the 9/11 Commission on what happened on 9/11. And to think, you say you are honoring the people that were murdered on 9/11, yet you find it so much fun to make up lies about how they actually died. Pigs...
Dutch after posting the above ^ you are merely threatening to re-post the conversation to mock the beliefs of the users here at neofriends, and I am supporting the views of Bobafett that if the action is carried out and you are found to have re-posted onto another forum, after already being warned not to, you will be permantly banned whether you use the names of the users here or not.
im not saying that i do believe anyone in this thing, what i do believe is that there are certain things that cannot be explained and it would seem as though the government have covered stuff up, just so you kno the melting point of steel is around 1370 degrees C (2500°F), but the burning temperature of jet fuel is around 550 degrees C which is whatever if farenheit. I would also imagine that the steel used in the WTC would be heat resistant after the last crash into them which would raise even just the fatigue point even higher from heat. I would also like to point out that(even if off topic) we as british believe that princess diana was intentionally killed by our very own royal family and our very own secret service, so why cant you believe for one second, without the emotional biased towards your government that they could actually do something like that. Thats one thing i have actually found about a lot of americans i know, without overgeneralising, that they would believe the government even if they think that their president is a complete and utter w**k, whereas in britain we quite gladly agree that the prime minister is a buffoon and cannot do his job for shit, which is why there is such uproar amongst the british people to get him out of office. most of us opposed the iraq war from day one cuz we could see there was no point in it. as for saddam killing thousands of his own, yea he did do that, but iraq as a country is actually in a worse state now than it was when he was ruler. fair enough i do think some of the conspiracy theories posted here are such a crock of shit, but some do actually make you question. just as the proof to back up the innocence of the government is in itself very covincing. sorry if ive offended anyone, these are just my opinions and i genuinely believe whats in the past should stay in the past, if bush did do this then fair enough he is really a nasty person, who should live with the guilt every day, if not then he really shouldnt be condemned. one way or another there is hardly a chance in hell that anyone is every gonna find out if the government is hiding something...unless we employ an agent to work their way though the ranks and leak info to us...but i doubt that thats going to happen any time soon as well!
i may just be canadian but i belive that the presure from the planes crashing into the buildings also gave off a big heat level that could melt the metal its self and i do have to agree that there is a huge possibilty that bush did do it but i do not belive so what i do belive is that steven harper (canadian prime minister) has a big gambleing problem and he is stealin our money cause at the moment the rsp funds have pretty much shut down what im trying to get at is we can not be for sure of whats going to happen and what has already happend with our goverments and in your case royal family