AB Ideas

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  1. the_skip

    the_skip Level IV

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    ok I decided to make one. any fetures that you want added. It'll be multiaccount. Have proxysupport. It can price depostite to shop/sdb give to neofriend. It will be able to make it own lists to buy items which will be grabbed on a site controlled by myself(Currently in development). I will also look into the encrypted post data for sending game scores.
     
  2. Mikaz

    Mikaz Level II

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    Price items in shop, get the money from the shop till and dump it to your bank account so you will get more interest :p

    Then you'll practically not having to surf on neopets to earn Neopoints. Lol :D
     
  3. the_skip

    the_skip Level IV

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    That was an idea of mine to make it an autoneo type program. I have already coded all of the features you have said cept get interest
     
  4. omgcat

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    Finish your other progs pleaseeee XD I want to use em. :eek:
     
  5. Mikaz

    Mikaz Level II

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    I've been thinking those things over also.
    Maybe some ideas for combining into your program (I don't know whether you have them already or not - I'm a low level user so I don't have access to al those programs yet)

    - Autobuying from shops
    - Automatic selling via shop (empty shop till)
    - Items that are too expensive to sell in shop, dump them in SDB so people can sell them theirselves.
    - Doing dailies (+ sponsor links and so on)
    - Auto Fearie quester
    - Automatic training of pets (training school and that kind of stuff)
    - Automatic bank/money system. Have for example always 80k out and deposit the rest on your bank, so you can raise your bank account and get more interest.

    Just some ideas that popped up in my mind. I hope you find them useful.
     
  6. dwaynedetubb

    dwaynedetubb Newbie

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    Here are my ideas for the autobuyer:


    • Stripped down as much as possible. Why? To make it faster of course!

      Include a fast enough calculator to help with haggling, or don't even bother with haggling, just give the shopkeeper the price they want.
     
  7. glowworm

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    millisecond refresh times. the thing that makes me most nervous about the MSAB on here is that it refreshes on seconds and not fractions of seconds.
     
  8. Mikaz

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    Calculating the amount shouldn't take that much time. (loading the page en getting the price out will take more time :p) As far as I know you can save a few percent every buy. So go a few percent under it, and make it look like 'human typing'.

    Everybody knows people are restocking fast. If an ammount of 5604 is asked, they'll type 5555 because its faster. Might be handly to make it look more like human behaviour
     
  9. Ryan

    Ryan Level II

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    The speed of the autobuyer has almost nothing whatsoever to do with whether you get an item.

    First, it takes in the order of 5 milliseconds (thats 0.5% of a second), to perform the calculations to buy an item. You then wait ~400ms for the internet communications of the various pages that need to be viewed to buy the item. (About 100ms each way, assuming normal latency) This can be as long as 2 seconds if the servers are busy. On top of that, the ABers only refresh on average every 6 seconds. Querying their server every 100 milliseconds would at the minimum get you cut off from the servers as an attempted DoS attack, and almost certainly get your account frozen. So in the end, making your ABer 40% faster, will come to about 2 milliseconds out of six and a half, minute fractions of a percent, which could be much better spent doing, say, 2 million additions during that 2 ms.

    If you play multi player games, you will notice that even on dedicated servers designed for speed, pings can be as high as 200ms. Many people use as high of a refresh as 10 seconds to be safe.

    Time could be much better spent trying to make an autobuyer undetectable (completely possible), instead of over optimizing for no gain.

    Here are some ideas of how that could be done:
    Duplicate the header files for your requests by pulling the cookies from the browser, detecting the operating system (asking for the browser)...

    Download all relevant content that hasn't been cached. When a normal browser views a page, it also downloads all the content. Seeing a guy rake in a thousand pages without downloading a single image or media file is like a "Freeze me" sign.

    Incorporate some randomness. It's not about what you make, but what you keep. After a RS dont rf again for ~5 minutes. Don't refresh every x seconds sharp, vary by as much as half a second. You can use that time to spider realistically and do the shop wizard, till, bank stuff.

    Take "breaks", act like a person, don't write I AM AN AUTOBUYER in their logs. Turn off after the next RS after a set period of time. Withdraw money/Stop if you run out of cash...

    If you really want to be accurate, also RF a shop with a lower number every few seconds (Say 10) and when it RSs, start RFing the target shop faster. Apparently the RS rolls through all the shops in numeric order.

    There is absolutely no reason why neopets should be able to detect an autobuyer.

    Here is an example of a bad idea: Shop wizzard every single item and compare the SW price to the shops price and buy the item that gives the highest profit.

    Again, its about what you keep, not what you make.

    Here is an example of something super easy that would add a lot. Get the user to open a .html in their favorite web browser containing this:
    Code (Text):
    1. <html>
    2. <body>
    3. Your browser sends this User-Agent header:
    4. <pre>
    5. <script type="text/javascript">
    6. <!--
    7. document.writeln( navigator.userAgent );
    8. // -->
    9. </script>
    10. </pre>
    11. </body>
    12. </html>
    And then copy and paste the header into your program. Bam, your program spoofs as whatever browser/OS they are using. Thats almost certainly a lot more than the other ABers do.
     
  10. punkeydew

    punkeydew Level IV

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    Personally I am glad that my computer is a little slower and miss some RS because I get frozen less often. I like your ideas of making an ABer more human and not about the speed and accuracy.


    The ABer ricky was making had alot of good features... though I'm not sure what happened to it. I know he was really busy for a while. Perhaps now he will resume it.

    It had refresh off the second at random intervals between 2 numbers.

    like 10.5, 10.7 that was my favorite feature. Because I get nervous about that too. It also had breaks built into it and stuff like that.

    So the more ABers we have like this... the better.
     
  11. zergses

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    lol doesnt that kinda defeat the purpose of playing neopets? :p
     
  12. lucasehh

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    No. you could still chat on neoboards, sell your items(unbuyables) go to guilds. I don't regularily do those things mikaz was saying, so that would just be extra help.
     
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    Ooh, sounds awesome :D I need to start saving for enough points to get it when it's available xD
     
  14. noncheatercheater

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    Agreed


    and I have yet to get an aber other than the igloo one

    do you think you could add like a personal shopper on there? kinda like RSing but you put in a list of stuff (like for instance, a petpet list) and it will get them for you and put them in your gallery?

    The main concern about that idea is what if you put an altachuck on the list and someone is selling it for 99,999 and the program decides to spend the most amount of money on it? Hmm
     
  15. Snowman

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    I got a autoquester and a 45K sponser doer coming up. How is the send score thing gonna work
     
  16. ZidanE22

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    I didn't read all the post but this might have been suggested, a timer that you can set how many minutes to run it, like if you want to go to sleep and leave it on for a couple hours then you can without worrying as much about getting banned.
     
  17. the_skip

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    Yeah that was feature that I was to be added. It will aslo take random breaks. The only reason it is not in beta testing is because loading teh capatcha image is messed up
     
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    auto shop wiz search

    Hmm..How about when you click on an item it automatically searches the shop wizard to check the price :D That would be so great, hmm..Ill be saving my points for the coming of your aber then :)
     
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    ME TOOO
    I am in a hurry really =P
    Good Luck =D
     
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