Is card counting, the method of 'numbering' cards in a given deck either -1, 0 or 1 to improve the probability of winning a hand of blackjack (NOTE: this is an incredibly crude definition; please refer to wikipedia, or other sites for a more detailed definition on the method and application of card counting), cheating, or simply applying logic and probability to a game? My personal view, as an avid card counter, is that it is not cheating. It is simply applying maths to blackjack to get better odds. It's the same as using logic in poker: if you had four aces, you wouldn't bin them in the hope of getting a royal routine flush, would you? The casinos, however, have a different view altogether. Obviously, it's cheating. What is your personal view?
Card counting is a skill I would love to learn. I think it's not cheating. Can it actually be detected
It's a fantastic skill to have. And, yeah, they can detect it after a while. Luckily, I haven't been detected as yet - but I thought I would have been detected a couple days ago when I was up to +10 or +11 (if anyone understands) and started betting big ;D But, similar to the movie 21 - people do get threats against them for doing it. (NOTE: I have not seen 21.. so I'm just making sweeping assumptions based on the ads )
card counting is fun It's not cheating at all since you're not using anything other than your head (and it's impossible to prevent anyways =P). Plus it's necessary when you're playing hearts/spades/bridge. <3
Well its not 'cheating' obviously but its their prerogative to not let you play , basically its just a flaw in the game that allows you to manipulate the situation to be in your advantage nothing wrong with that at all morally. A similar situation can be applied to roulette its the reason why there is a table limit for games else you could constantly double or triple your bet until you win, the casinos found a way to get around one problem they just haven't found an elegant way to solve card-counting cause its all in your head. I'd be too afraid to do the count cause I don't want to get blacklisted, i like going inside casinos, how long did it take you to get the hang of counting?
Card counting with one deck is....easy peasy. Card counting with multiple decks like they use in casinos is....D: hard.
card counting is a legit way of winning with the odds stacked against you, it's def. not cheating, it just shows how much skill you have
It's understandable why casinos don't want you to- you're taking they're money. However, knowing how to card count multiple decks in a casino is an incredible skill, and I'll be damned if I wouldn't use that skill once I'd learned it.
well there's also the fact that counting cards requires you to have multiple people to control the situation, which in a game that's supposed to be played by one person, is cheating, because you are playing with more than one person on your team. It's like if a soccer game was played with one side having 11 people and the other side having >10 people. Now i'm all for card counting since i live in vegas and know what kinds of tricks the casinos play on tourists, but there's also the fact that if you cheat by having multiple people on the same team of a 1 player game you're ruining our economy, thats how we make all of our money... literally xD
I'm assuming we're looking at card-counting in terms of gambling and not in skill-based games like bridge where its a necessity. Yes, its "cheating" in the basic sense that it goes against the point of gambling, which is to rely solely on luck to win big. But hey, who said that cheating wasn't a good tactic? It works rather well regardless of whether you're card counting or stacking the deck. It just so happens that card counting is much more subtle than more active cheating techniques
It's just logic. You're not using anything to help you win besides your own brain. Too bad the casinos don't view it the same way.
I've seen 21. It's pretty awesome. The casinos don't like you when you do it, and I /think/ they can detect it. One of my teachers at school says that she can count cards, and the casino near us switches dealers often (that must mean they shuffle the cards or something) so all her previous counting is worthless. I'm eventually going to teach myself to count cards. I play blackjack with a friend of mine in the halls during lunch (no betting, of course) so he can learn to count cards.
They never shuffle the cards? I've only been to a casino one time, and they shuffled the cards after every single game.. To me it's not cheating. It's just using your head. It's like finding out the math in a game and then using it to win. It's their fault for not making it any harder.
I think card counting SHOULDN'T be considered cheating... It is like being tall and playing basketball, you just have an advantage at the game because of an ability you have...
Shuffling Cards, means that the counter gets reset back to 0 I believe, its a way to counter card counting but it gets annoying for normal patrons to wait for the dealer to shuffle constantly, I'm pretty sure at most casions they do not shuffle constantly. Also to be truly effective the casinos would need to card count as well and if they just shuffled everytime the count was hot they would be the ones cheating , pretty sure that would at least be unethical if not illegal
Its not cheating but casinos are run by greedy you know whats and they dont want you, the mark, having any advantage over them. I hate the casinos man.
I personally find nothing wrong with card counting. It's the same as the mental skills that are learned for poker (like knowing about what your odds are in any given hand.)
Cheating is bascially just breaking the rules. These rules are set up by the casinos. Card counting is against the rules, and therefore if you do it, you are cheating. Likewise, one person can hoard as many items as they want on neopets and its okay, but if 100 of the richest people in Neopets bought up all of the advent calendar items to drive the prices up, Neopets considers this cheating. The hoarders are doing nothing "wrong," technically, since you're free to buy and sell however you choose, but Neopets says its wrong and therefore it is considered cheating. Whenever a system feels that you've gained too much of an edge, they can implement rules against your tactics to level the playing field.
Ahaha.... more cheating is the games the casinos play.... if you go sit down at a table by yourself to play the dealer one-on-one, they start a long, drawn-out shuffle in the attempt to stall so that other people come sit down with you. They know that odds are the more people there are at a table the higher the chance that at least one person at the table will have no idea how to play the game right. They're always counting on a numnuts to help you lose your money, and if you play at a table with others you're taking that risk, but purposefully stalling for it is complete BS. Screw the casinos.