[justify]Clearly everyone knows that are pointless and sad and whoevr supports them probably was brainwashed but what allowed them to get so out of hand. People usually associate holocaust with Germany and how the Jewish communities were slaughtered and given up by many countries, except one denmark I believe, when they should have protected them. There was also a Asian Holocaust between Japan and China, Japan invaded china and destroyed some villages and did experiments on the chinese because back then they believed only korean and chinese are worth anything, fortunately this idea no longer exists, japan also was hurt by the atomic bomb and encampments in america as well as the vietnamese ( excuse my spelling). There was also a black holocaust such as what happened in tuskegee (spelling again) where productived Americans where doing well and others did not like it so they burned the city and wiped out a whole town, but there are many more incidents during the black holocaust that i will not mention. Native Americans also experienced a holocaust when then Europeans had a mention to kill all of them and almost succeeded. assimilation was a common form during many holocaust. My point is that Holocaust have always been horrible but where backed by POLITICAl AGENDA. Govwrnments organized these things, not common hate groups. Now many peopel have paid back the people they harmed during Holocausts ( but not all) but when will history stop repeating itself. After 9/11, the Muslims here were treated cruelly. Americans mistook all Muslims as terrorist and they were treated unfairly. The government could not have been so slow as to not know 9/11 was going to happen ( although sadly they were too late to stop it because they saw no threat) but to terrorize people just because the media projects them as terrorist. Terrorist have a agenda or political reason for doing things ( like holocaust people ) but what was in for 9/11. I feel governments need to stop waiting for something to happen ( global warming; people talked about it for YEARS) and following there own political agenda that does not benefit the people. These agendas help no one but I will say govrnments usually do their jobs but not all the time. Whta do you think?[/justify]
I wouldnt really like to comment on whether the government do their jobs or not because then I could be here forever... On the topic of the holocausts that you were talking about, I see what you mean about history repeating itself again and again, but just with differnet groups of people. Unfortunalty these things happen in wars, and as long as their is war then it will happen again. As long as certain countries continue to support each other then we will have wars, if only they were avoidable. I think it's terrible for countries/groups of people to be at war with each other.
I don't want to make it a gender issue, but if more women were in head seats of government, like in some other countries, then I wonder if so many wars would still go on. I think being for war usually means so few real emotions are felt. People know the outcome of war so I think more sensitive people will try to use it as a last resort. Like women, but not the ones who believe in being beneath men,NOT applying to any culture, or religion, but people's mentality period.
I think that isn't so much of a problem nowadays because women do have more influence in the government than they used to, though more wouldnt hurt! But when it comes down to it sometimes they must feel like there is no way out of things apart from war. Or they hope that by going to war, their actions will be justified afterwards when they have resolved the problem. I'm thinking specifically of the war in Iraq, that they thought getting rid of Saddam would make Iraq a better place without a dictator. But they maybe didn't realise how bad the situation would get before it gets better... and lets hope it does get better.
I honestly don't think you can make an assumption about the influences of gender. The fact is that it is power that corrupts, not gender, and it just so happens that more men seem to get into positions of power. I also don't think that supporting a war means you have a lack of sensitivity.. Unless you understand the complete workings of a country's politics and circumstances, I think it's impossible to comment. I, for one, did think that the Iraq invasion had to happen at some point. Maybe it wasn't handled correctly, but it was inevitable. I'm offended that you could then say that I [feel so few emotions]. I mean, how on earth can you make that assumption of millions of people? It seems to me that people will just make a derogatory comment about any person or group of people who have a differing opinion, and this is usually done because the person commenting can't open their mind enough to accept a different point of view. Maybe that's what the general problem with 'us' is. Not that there's a problem with this here as such, but this would have been a good topic for the debates section .
I think you misinterpreted few emotions. When you support a war you support casulties. Many people die whether the y are enemy or not and to me I think that people who are for wars care about innocents dieing but not about the enemy. Life is life and humans shouldn't decide " oh you are wrong and don't fit this and should die ". I am extremely open-minded and take in everyones opinion but that does not mean sacrificing my own. When I say that those for war have lack for sensitivity that does not mean as a person. If a child dies a supporter of war will cry but the damage the war cause and knowing the result but still standing by it seems like a lack of sensitivity. I respect that you feel the war was needed but was this because of personal research or what the media and government feeds you. There are many things going on behind closed doors..but that is not the topic of the discussion. I hope you get a chance to read this and it corrects any misconceptions that you have. I do apologize if I did not make myself clear earlier. Oh, and I corrected something earlier about women who are beneath men, in mind, I corrected it to not applying to cultures or religions and just noticed the mistake now.
By holocaust, don't you mean genocide? I think the holocaust refers just to the Hitler period. There's a genocide going on somewhere in Africa. The latest Green Day video has people talking about what goes on there. It's really sad. America should be there to fight, not in Iraq.
No, holocaust is not just for Hiltler period and what hitler did WAS Genocide. The research I did on the holocaust of other countries were called just that and called the specified areas it talked about as GENOCIDES. And I have seen the Green Day video and I get what you mean. America should eb helping people instead of fighting a war. The person they wanted has been caught. There are still people hungry in america and around the world. PEOPLE should be before war. I totally agree with you.
You say the person they wanted has been caught, but that is not the point of it any more. I disagree with war, but now it is unrealistic to think that America and Britain can pull out of Iraq. They have to finish what they have started, and try and put the country back together again. It's not easy, but we can't just pull out because it's tough and leave a mess behind. As I said, I don't agree with war, but we have to support our troops that are there. They didn't ask for this to happen either (that decision is out of their hands) yet they are there risking their lives and they are very brave, we need to be behind them all the way. And the point of the war was to get rid of Saddam, but also to make a better country and system of government. So this needs to be achieved before we can leave. That's my opinion anyway... Edit: As far as I understand it, genocide refers to a specific type of holocaust, in which a certain race of people or nation is targetted. And holocaust refers in general to mass killings.
You make very valid points but just getting saddam was of course not the whole reason for the war because you don't need to have war in a whole country for just one person ( yes saddam had power but not that great). I also agree with the finishing it off but the problem is THE WAY america is putting the government together. These people need guidance but the government was so fast and unorganized , however now more stable, that it didn't matter if the new government was started in the first place. The damage had been done and radicals have already prepared and keep the war from ending. The radicals, for lack of better word, have home turf advantage which leaves america and its allies vulnerable. I do support the troops, but not the fact that they are trying to force my brother to take marine training while he is in the navy because of troops shortages, and I will not say the war was pointless. But at first seemed unnoble. GWB at first said a few things that made me uncomfortable. First, he said protect the oil and secondly saddam tried to kill my father....GBW defied the United Nation and government who must give their consent in order for him to declare war. There is a big process and he defied it. It will take time but the methods being used WILL NOT create a preaceful country and truly stable government for several reasons. The government just charged in and got rid ofthe original authgority, although this is good for the country, but many may have been either happier with Saddam, although VERY unlikely, or did not like foreigners medling in their affairs. This causes conflict. Also the radicals use the american troops mistaken shots and ue them against them, by showing the public pictures of injured children, although american troops neither intended to or can forgive doing, and innocents atttacked to cause propaganda. More conflict. i do believe this war will end but not like people expect...
I have to said I don't have a lot (if any) respect for Bush and the way he has gone about things. But the same can also be said for Tony Blair who has damaged his reputation considerably. The two of them together did not do themselves any favours. And in doing so we have caused problems in the United Nations, as you've said. I've never been a fan of Bush... I agree the government system was quite rushed, they wanted to be seen to be doing something good as soon as they could. Their intention was to put Iraqis in positions of power which is a good move. Because it was never the intention to take over Iraq, or so we were told. It's unfortunate that war seemed necessary, especially since they had their chance to get rid of Saddam all those years before....!! It's not just one person they were removing. It was a whole corrupt system and Saddam held a lot of power within that system. He was a dictator and therefore there were a lot of people around him brainwashed into his views. I find it all quite scary. I hope the outcome is good, but I don't think we should be in a rush again to make sure things are done properly.
I think hes right man, Holocaust refers to the Jewish Genocide. There have been lots (1 is too many) genocides since ww2, but the holocaust is that one.
The word 'holocaust' (as a noun) does not just refer to Hitlers execution of Jews. It refers to mass killings, as I said in my previous post. On the other hand, 'The Holocaust' (capital H!) has come to be a term that historians use to describe this period. (Hitlers Jewish genocide in the 30's) Does that make sense? I hope it does...
Well i do wish people would just get along. i dont mean to sound like a hippee or anything. but from what ive heard the terroist who were on the planes during 9/11 were actually from sadi arabia, and they came to bush basically saying "look, you cant let americans know it was our people on that plane because it will lead to war" and being that bush gets his alot of oil from sadi arabia went along with it and then decide to blame iraq (forgive me if i spell anything wrong) so as they could conquer iraq and get more oil. i may have left some things out, but thats the basic. i know it sounds like a bunch of paranoia, but i guess the difference between me and other people is i accept the fact its a conspiracy because face it, what can i or anyone else do about it, but i beleive everything is a conspiracy for power or money. But the goverment has full power and even if we do beleive its a conspiracy they have the power to get rid of anyone and everything. If there werent so many people hell-bent on power and money things like the holocaust wouldnt have happened.
OK, im going to hold back here...It doesnt matter if your a hippie, but get your facts at least somewhat straight. First, there is no evidence that suggest a saudi connection, and if there was the fact that they have loads of oil would not have slowed bush down in the least. Second, the people that crashed those planes, they were from AFGHANISTAN, not Iraq, this is one of my biggest pet peaves, a huge percentage of Americans actually believe that the terrorist responsible for 9 11 were sent by Iraq, when it has been proven that there were no connections between the two. You write what could you do about it? and say there is nothing that can be done, how un-American. Now I am not American, but I have studied the foundings of America, which I do consider a great nation. Did not the colonist feel that they had no way to be heard, and that they were not being represented properly. So they fixed their situation, now I am not saying revolution is what needs to happen, Education is what is needed. Study, learn, and not from one source, the only way to get passed bias is by researching from different forms of sources (authors from different countries is a must). When you have become educated, and know what must be fought, then fight it. Its freaking America, the government does not hold all the power, the people do, just look at all of the leaders in America that pushed for social reform. and now i will take a big breath, I dont want it to sound like im attacking you or anyone, but people really must become educated in the ways of their country and the world. Too often people support the actions of war, because it is in self defense and that country did terrorist actions too them. Those people fail to realize why there is such a violent storm of things going on, and they fail to realize that the country they are attacking never did terrorist actions, that it was actually another country which they had too already invaded. Ignorance is not bliss, ignorance is the support of ongoing pointless violence. To fight the good fight, you have to be smart enough to see what to fight.
Can only Admin lock or delete or close down posts? I don't think I should have started this and I would like for it to be gone or locked.
well im not gonna argue with you i was merely expressing my opinion, i didnt mean to upset you and next time ill keep it to my self. my apolagies.
No, no, there is no offense. You are doing the right thing in expressing your opinion. This is the debate forum. I just didn't expect people to respond to it and wrote out in it as if it was a diary. Please always express your opinion. I just want it close because I feel it needs to end. Not much more can be said. Has there actually been anyone for the pro? Its not really a debate then.