Battledome Help Chat

Discussion in 'Neopets Chit-Chat' started by Shawn, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. Shawn

    Shawn Level IV

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    Both defensive and offensive are important since you cannot win a battle without going on the offense (unless you have reflectors) and you will lost battles if you do not defend.

    I suggest you stay in the low leagues (4 or 5) as in these leagues, most people do not have as expensive sets as those in much higher leagues. Though some people in low leagues have extremely expensive sets.

    Well, most people in the BD Chat are willing to battle without a freezer, so unless you really want to freeze, I think you could even do without the ELL for 2p battling (in 1p battling you can buy a Randomly Firing Freeze Ray which freezes 50% of the time, if it does not freeze, just withdraw and restart the 1p fight).

    Try this for a 12.5m set:
    Sword of Righteous Fury/Hanso Charisma Charm
    Hanso Charisma Charm/Ramtors Spell Book
    Portable Kiln (Hits heavy fire icons)
    BoD/WoR (Dual, you can choose 2 of the same or alternate)
    Faerie Tabard (Blocker)
    Mask of Coltzan (I like dual duties)
    BoLHS (for Lennies)/Greater Healing Scroll/Green Scorchstone/Purple Scorchstone (depending on your budget)
     
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  2. AOWPIE

    AOWPIE Level I

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    ty very much ill probably hold on to ELL while i beat DON1 and 2 then maybe sell it when i do 2p
     
  3. Shawn

    Shawn Level IV

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    RFFR is cheaper but you can choose to keep the ELL
     
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    AOWPIE Level I

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    just wondering in your first post you put sword of righteous fury, did you mean staff?
     
  5. Shawn

    Shawn Level IV

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    Yeah sorry, staff!
     
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    Not sure if grave-digging here but...

    With all the new items and prices (Strength Potions, A-neggs, etc)... when is it efficient to start negging/using potions?

    Also, what's a decent ~30-40m set for L4?
     
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    Can't help you for L4. But negging/potions are time efficient, but not np efficient until your stats get into the hundreds, where the training takes multiple red codestones. So it depends on how much patience you have.
     
  8. Shawn

    Shawn Level IV

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    Only negg if your stats are in the hundreds. Potions can be used if for some reason you're in a rush to train up.

    30-40m L4 set suggestion:
    KBT
    Species Healer (KLP) or GHS
    JBR (if you can find a seller)
    HCC
    PCC
    GBomb
    D!
    1m extra

    In this set you have:
    KBT and PCC as attackers,
    JBR and HCC as dual duties, blocking all dark and light
    GBomb as a bomb
    D! as a one use evader
    Species healer as cheap healer
    If you want, you could buy an ISS if you feel the lack of earth icon blockers irks you.
     
  9. Richy

    Richy Level IV

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    If you want a solid number, it's pretty easy to calculate. We'll take ANeggs for example!
    First, you calculate the cost of your current training method. It may be the academy, but let's say it's MI training school. We assume that the techo asks for all codestones equally (although he obviously asks me for the pricey ones -.-), so we average the price of codestones to be ~5,700. The price of an ANegg is about 33,500.

    33500/5700 = 5.87, so you'd have to be being charged six codestone per stat increase for this to be worth your NP. If you're ANegging a labrat, however, you'll be getting your str and hp from the lab, so you'd have to increase your level just to accommodate defense at a training school. Because it's one level for every two defense points, each defense point costs 1.5 times as much! So 5.87/1.5 is 3.91 - at 4 codestones or higher, ANegging is good for a labrat.

    You can do this with any stat of your choice, and you'll find that you do have to be pretty high in stats to be saving NP. ANeggs are incredibly cheap for what they do, and you'd still need 160 defense for a labrat or 240 defense for even stats to be saving money by ANegging
     
  10. Rise and Fall

    Rise and Fall Level IV

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    the set shawn posted is good

    but dont get a jbr, blocking light is completely useless, you never run into mass light

    youll have dark block with the hcc so get an ftab to cover most of the other icon types
    you wont have to worry about sos or kbt, and if you wanna get rid of the pccs thread change to preti and get a greater healing scroll as your healer or a purple scorchstone
     
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    I've never trained a pet or anything. Is it worth it to learn how to train a pet and fight in the BD, or is it pointless?
     
  12. Shawn

    Shawn Level IV

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    You don't gain anything from it, carrottt, but it's fun and getting to bash BD chat people feels good


    R&F, KBT + JBR beats dual PCCs
     
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    Since you know what you're talking about Shawn...
    With an HSD 850+ evenly distributed, what should I buy with 70 mils ?

    I don't want to say what I currently use cause I'm paranoid, but I do have a 100% freezer.
    no species healer since I won't change my bd pet.

    on a side note, I've seen G-Sword going for 82mils... serious deflation or they were over inflated at 100+mils ?
     
  14. Shawn

    Shawn Level IV

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    Tharoux, 1p or 2p set?
    And normally, for 2p BD, evenly distributed is not good enough, League Build pets are the way to go.

    As for the G-Sword, it's deflation, like every other (almost) Battledome item.
     
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    tharoux Level IV

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    I prefer 1P... In my head, you don't stand a chance in 2P with a set worth less than 25 mils.
     
  16. Richy

    Richy Level IV

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    70mil is more than 25mil ;)
    Also, did you calculate that freezer into your 70mil to spend, or is this 70mil to add to current stuff?
     
  17. Shawn

    Shawn Level IV

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    70m 1p set:
    GC
    GC
    GBomb
    D!
    The new cheap freezing ray if you don't mind restarting if it doesn't freeze, if not get one of the 100% freezers. Or a species freezer
    Species Healer
    Purple Sticky hand, HRoT if you have enough speed
    PCC

    This is what I think would work.

    Dual GCs for the more you defeat an opponent, their str goes up and you can use GCs in your favor against them.

    GBomb as if you have high str, this would slash out high damage

    Freezer and stealer to assist more advanced or longer 1P fights

    Species healer as a 70m set can't have a 100% healer and species healer are aplenty, and cheap

    PCC to dish out the icons if you get sick of dual GCs, and if you have high str, it deals high damage too
     
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  18. Richy

    Richy Level IV

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    Shawn, I've gotta disagree
    850 HSD evenly distributed puts him halfway between the 250 and 300 str boost.
    Since he will probably be working his way up, let's put him at the 300 str boost (6.5 per icon)

    Now, one GC against a max opponent would do 10*15*1.14*.876 = 150
    The 10 is icons, 15 is their boost multiplier, 1.14 is the average aid from stance, for a GC in 1p uses their stance, and .876 is the approx percent of the time it attacks. Now, to do 150 with a 300 boost pet, you'd need:

    150/(6.5*1.2*1*1.14) = 16.87
    The 150 is the damage needed, 6.5 is your boost, 1.2 is average aid for YOUR stance (added berzerk), 1 is the probability it will hit, 1.14 is their stance. You only need 16.87 icons to do the same amount of damage. KBT averages 18 icons for about half the price. Even at the 250 boost, KBT's expected hit would be 136, and it would be considerably cheaper. I used KBT as an example because, for the most part, icons don't matter in 1p, and the three HT constants all do the same number of icons.

    So, with 70mil (assuming you have a freezer and 70mil) I'd do this:
    KBT - 7.5m
    KBT - 7.5m
    GBomb - 6.8m
    Freezer - you already have
    HRoT - if you can use it, very helpful, but it requires 201 movement (100k). If you can't use it, take another novelty slot
    GShield/FTab - own both, but choose which you'll use depending on opponent - total ~14mil
    LEV - BUY NOW, they're only 35mil, super cheap
    Novelty - throw in whatever you need for tough fights - a 50% reflector, your second shield, a tsb... I default to Downsize! if I don't need anything else

    70.9m
    A little over, and these prices can always fluctuate a little up or a little down - but these are my recommendations. If you have to either meet a budget or buy a freezer, I'd cut out one of the shields, and it would be your choice as to which. If you really have to, you can downgrade LEV to a BoHD, which is 12mil, but only half as effective. I haven't seen LEVs this cheap recently, and it's quite possible they'll deflate further with Neo's recent money sinks, but I think it's a nice time to invest in a set.

    EDIT: 1000th non-spam post, and I think it was a good 1000th ^^
     
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    tharoux Level IV

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    WOW !

    Thanks to both of you guys !

    FYI, it was 70mil to add to the freezer... I already have a nice set but was looking to change it for a better one. I'll check for the LEV. Last time I checked, it was going for ~50 mils so I decided to skip it.

    After reading the review about the GC and KBT, I'll probably choose the KBT. I like to know what's gonna happen on the next move.

    +rep to both of you ! :D
     
  20. Shawn

    Shawn Level IV

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    Oh yes OMG sorry I totally forgot about KBTs (out of the loop and out of practice, can't believe I suggested PCC lol)
    Yes, KBTs are hard hitting and cheap constants, ideal for high str 1P BDing.
    In that case Richy's set is better :)