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God or evolution ?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Milanos, Oct 10, 2007.

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God or evolution ?

  1. God

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  2. Both

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  3. Evolution

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  1. Milanos

    Milanos Level IV

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    One question, are your parents christian ?
     
  2. ipaawn

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    im exact opposite XD...not believing in god gives me support!
     
  3. Nighted

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    Took the words right out of my mouth.

    I'd also like to add that if God exists, why are there so many wars fought over religion? In fact, I think Jerusalem is being fought over by 3 religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. If God really exists, why is he letting people die over a fake cause?

    Evolution is the only theory that ties everything together. "God" doesn't.
     
  4. sydney2550

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    I believe in God. If i create an universe such like ours, and those who live there start kill ourselves instead of enjoy it... i would let them die... why does anyone think that God has to do magic and makes everyone happy from one day to another... even the evolution does not explain why matter exists...
     
  5. Commy

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    Religion also doesn't explain how God came to be. Well...any reasonable explanation that is (bursting forth from an egg/lotus flower does not count as reasonable).
    No, evolution doesn't explain how matter came into existence. That's a totally different branch of science.
    As for why matter exists, here's an easy-to-understand version of it:
    http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2 ... antimatter
    And there's always wikipedia if you want to read more.
    Prior to the big bang there always was a singularity that started the big bang. The singularity was always there, as there's nowhere for it to come from.
    As for how matter came to preside over antimatter, hopefully we'll be able to answer that question when the particle accelerator in Cern, Switzerland is completed, and the experiment has been done.
    While there is proof of the existence of matter and energy, there has yet to show any definitive existence of God. So I would not choose "God created us" as an acceptable answer to the question of where we come from at this moment and time. No, science doesn't know every single thing in this universe. But I would not run to God as the answer just because questions are unexplained.

    Here's an interesting article about how one deity coincides with another from a different religion
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
     
  6. Ropi

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    First of all: i don't believe in god (or gods)... In my oppinion, evolution explains very well, why we have here on earth what we have... (I'm sorry for my English, hope you understand what i want to say).

    I cannot believe, that someone or something took some loam, blows on it and it comes alive...

    Die you ever read "A Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxie"? There is this nice little passage in it...:

    Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:

    "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

    "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. Q.E.D."

    "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

    "Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

    Most leading theologians claim that this argument isn't worth a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid from making a fortune with his book Well That About Wraps It Up For God.

    worth reading i think :D :lol: in generall i think, this is always a hard discussion and nobody should try to convince or even persuade someone that his point of view is the only right one...

    And another thing i found...:

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  7. Naff

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    Although Evolution does make sense, something tells me that God does exist. My family doesnt go to Church anymore, so I dont know a lot about the bible and stuff, just the basics...I dunno....I wish someone could tell me all about God so I can figure out what I really think...but for now, I do believe there is a God.
     
  8. hotluck

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    evoultion it makes more sense to me. the evidence and scientific research prove it
     
  9. Khang685

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    I believe in God, even though I have been forced to write essay about evolution in school. It really does not make sense at all about how intellegent beings like us can about about because of survival of the fittest and mutation of DNA sequences by chance.
     
  10. Milanos

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    Well, school is scientifical, and evolution is the logical explanation.

    Also, about about ? I'd love to explain it, but I don't exactly know what you're saying :(
     
  11. Virre

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    By chance? I wouldn't really call it a chance, but more of inspiration.
    Francis Crick was under the influence of LSD when he first constructed the double-helix structure of DNA.
    Also, it's only "by chance" people start companies, get diseases etc. What you're saying isn't that humans have found the double-helix structure by chance, but that you find it unlikely that anything at all happens by chance, is it not?
     
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    It's all evolution, people just need a "God" so the world dosen't completly blow up.
     
  13. Jane

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    I believe in both. I think there is a God watching over us, but I then again human kind evolved from...whatever, so evolution does make sense.
     
  14. Ak*

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    it has to be evolution and the only reason why the idea of God exists was used as a way of gaining power and authority over the general public since the beginning of time. God is just a belief passed down from generation to generation each era makes it stronger and stronger. however in recent years there has been a decline in religious views partially because people are no longer ignorant. Evolution has facts and educated hypothesis' that are proven and proven again. there is no proof that there is a God, and i need some empirical evidence to support the claim that God does exist and that he made us into who we are. if he does exist then let him spite me in the very same chair that im sitting in right now.
     
  15. Ephemeral

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    I'm an optimist by nature, and I really do hope there is a God almost out of vindictive. I believe there are people who ought to be rewarded for their good deeds and people who need to pay for their wrongs. I guess, however, that my desire for other's sufferring would make me a sinner too, but w/e. A benevolent God would understand that I'm only human, and I doubt a malevolent God exists.

    Evolution seems like a logical theory, but I think there's still millions of scenarios in which God and evolution could coexist, and I really don't believe that the existence of evolution refutes the existence of God.

    I'm sort of taking a conservative route; I go to church in the event God does exist, and I try to convince myself that he does exist in case he does. I don't think I've convinced myself that God truly does exist yet, but I have time, although the priests would likely tell me that this plan of mine will land me a spot in hell. Again, w/e.
     
  16. Milanos

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    o_O

    So you try to convince yourself to believe that God really exists, because you're afraid of him ?

    That's the weirdest theory I've ever heard :p
     
  17. Ephemeral

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    Yeah, that's pretty much it. It's similiar to Pascal's wager.

    "The Wager posits that it is a better "bet" to believe that God exists than not to believe, because the expected value of believing (which Pascal assessed as infinite) is always greater than the expected value of not believing."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager
     
  18. mass2chaos

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    I agree.

    Please do not spam. - L_scorpio
     
  19. mash1ey

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    evolution all the way im studying this in uni at the moment and i think theres far far too much evidence to coincide with the theory of evolution...but i can see why people believe in god, i mean how is it that the very first first particle came to be that created earth or the universe for that matter etc.... o_O
     
  20. Tricia

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    Ok, so if you're asking how the first particle even came into existence and say that it must have been 'God', you could ask who created God. I'm reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins at the moment and he raises a good point - for 'God' to create something as complex as life, he must be an even more complex entity. Therefore, 'God' is the most improbable thing imaginable. It blows out of the water the idea that 'God' must be the answer because the fact that life began was such an improbable thing.