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MSG - Monosodium Glutamate

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by junkant, Aug 22, 2007.

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  1. glitch245

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    when do you think legalities really stopped conglomorates and such before? Its only illegal if they know about it. Otherwise its just shady business, and thats sadly the norm in todays world. In this world, the more money you have, the less the law applies to you. A sad but universal truth.

    And msg? I guess i never really thought about it too much, but i do find it a useless ingredient.
     
  2. Commy

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    Sadly the norm? How do you know that it's common use that most businesses use shady practices? Do you have any proof, or are you just saying that? Of course legalities stop large businesses from doing illegal things. That's what authorities are for. If a person like you knew that these businesses were doing illegal things, then what's stopping the actual authorities from finding out? And it's illegal even if the authorities don't know about it. And take coke for instance, they were using subliminal messaging in one of their advertisements in the past, but they were caught, and they were stopped.
     
  3. Phee

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    But until they were caught, they used subliminal messaging.

    As far as I know, companies don't put in said ingredients. I never said they did. What I meant, and excuse me if it was misinterpreted wrongly, was that the companies can slip in ingredeints without us knowing or noticing. When you last ate a sandwich, did you read the ingredients label on the bread? Or closely inspect the meat's label?

    MSG is everywhere- chips, cookies, soda, cereal, and so much more. That's one of the reasons why junk food is so addicting.

    A marketing technique that companies use is called 'angel dusting,' slipping in amounts of good ingredients that consumers look for. These ingredients are at a level so low, they don't do anything, but the consumer who reads te label sees the ingredient and assumes that the product will work well or better because it contains that certain ingredient, without knowing whether the product contains sufficient levels of that ingredient. This mainly applies to cosmetics, hair products, lotions, etc.

    MSG is pretty much used in a bit of reverse 'angel-dusting.' Look at the ingredients list of a bag of chips, or a box of cookies. There's TONS of ingredients, right? And most of them you can't even pronounce. Most of these ingredients are harmless, and even necessary or good for the product. However, buried in there you'll find Monosodium Glutatamate, something else harmful, like Aspartame or Saccharin (both are common but harmful artificial sweeteners). You'll probably skip over it amidst all those long names of the other ingredients, which is EXACTLY what the company wants you to do.
     
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    Yes, until they were caught Coca-cola used subliminal messaging. But they were caught. And I wasn't referring to your comment that companies were slipping in ingredients illegally. I was referring to glitch245's comments.

    So I do agree with you, skeem495, as for glitch245 i'd like some more proof before you could say something like that.
     
  5. Phee

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    Companies generally do indeed do shady things, but there's alot of hype and exaggeration surrounding the reality.
     
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    Okay, so what's a shady thing they do? I am just curious for an example. I know shady doesn't necessarily mean 'illegal'
     
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    Angel-dusting, like I said before, is one of the MANY many marketing techniques. There's also things like sweatshops and questionable labor practices, harmful ingredients, exaggerating and/or lying about a product's potency, etc.

    I could give you a whole list if you want.
     
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    Yeah, a list would be great. It's interesting to see what companies are getting up to
     
  9. seanmane

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    I Think That A Person Should Be Able To Tell When Theyve Had Enough Junk So Personnally It Doesnt Bother Me
     
  10. Phee

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    Examples:

    Most 'spring water' isn't actually water from a spring- it's actually just city tap water, run through a simple filter, then bottled and sold. It doesn't have any more minerals than tap water. Look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfPAjUvvnIc

    Another example- Gwyneth Paltrow is endorsing the Ultra Lux 9 lotion by Sonya Dakar. There's hype and talk about this, because it's got snake venom in it. Ooh, how cool. Snake venom. It's new, interesting, and must have unique healing properties, right? YOU MUST BE OUT OF YOUR FREAKING MIND. Snake venom doesn't do anything for your skin, at all. Many companies add 'natural,' 'organic,' 'unique,' or 'patented' formulas and ingredients to build hype and make their product stand out, when these products are the same as all the others.

    Many companies claim their ingredients are 'natural' or 'organic', but take a look at the ingredients label- most of those are chemicals! But really, chemicals aren't harmful for your skin, most of those rumours are all just myth.

    Speaking of which, companies also sneakily start rumours and myths about other companies, products, or ingredients. Has anyone ever heard that aluminum chlorohydrate, the big ingredient in nearly all anti-perspirants, causes cancer? This is complete bogus. It's what 'natural' companies want you to think, so you'll buy 'organic' products, which either don't work nearly as well, or contain chemicals themselves.

    I don't have time now, but i'll add more later:)
     
  11. aznphen0m

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    yeah it is pretty bad because of the side effects
     
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