But there's the problem- the criminals are usually very well trained with strong guns. Thus having the Criminals > the cops
I'm not sure if I agree with criminals being very well trained. Police officers, if I recall correctly, have to pass tests and what not to make sure they are proficient at what they do, and I just can't see criminals having shooting-range practices with illegal weapons without any consequences.
If a cop only knows how to make a parking ticket, how is he going to stop a team of military trained criminals?
Aye, your making it sound as though the criminals had enrolled in a training program to become what they are. :/ I know that some have their wits about them, but numerous are just low level thugs haha. Now, Police do get training, but there are many that barely pass and even so, if you think about it, the training doesn't aid them in any way if they can't perform the actions on time, and on the spot. This meaning that they may not have the courage to shoot, taser, and beat down a criminal in order to keep others safe/keep the society running smoothly. There are 2 types of police in this case, those whom have the courage to do so, and the others whom just are yelling for the criminal to drop their weapon/get down.
I'm not sure about your area of residence, but here, those who are officers can do more than just make parking tickets. You're treating law enforcement as if they are incapable idiots - if that was the case, crime and whatnot would be MUCH higher than they are right now. Also, I don't know where you get the idea that the criminals that 'normal' police deal with are military level in terms of training/experience; weapons, maybe, but an entire group who all have military training? I don't think so.... and even if that was the case, then it wouldn't be just a normal police matter, and higher powers would get involved. I still believe that giving police officers higher-level weapons would just cause an arms race between law enforcement and criminals.
The average police man/woman won't be armed with a basic hand gun let alone a machine gun of some sort where I live. Crime happens people get stabbed and all that but we don't have a gun issue really so our police don't need guns. I'll be moving to mildly rough area of London next year where shootings happen but not many regular policemen will be armed even there. It's not necessary in Britain to arm every police officer. I remember when I was in New York on the boat from Battery Park to the Statue of Liberty and police were carrying machine guns I was quite shocked but not as shocked as when I went into a Wal Mart in Florida and shotguns were on sale. It goes hand in hand if you arm your citizens you arm your police and if everyone has a gun more people get shot... Vancouver beats Japan & HK in gang member numbers? The Yakuza are the largest crime organisation in the world, though I guess they aren't all in Japan.
Aye, even so, gangs are a 'normal police matter' yet they constantly kill and such, why aren't higher powers getting involved in such cases? Giving police offers higher-grade weapons may create an arms race, but what about around the same caliper guns as these criminals own? Would that not give the edge to whomever is more experienced/has more training? In which case, unless the criminal has his wits, then it would most often be the police. :/
I was talking more so about how fexxel was talking as if the criminals and whatnot were normally ex-commando's or such that have tactical training - like a criminal SWAT team, but that is not the case. As for the gang's, I actually think that they have units specifically for fighting gangs (I vaguely remember 'gang-unit' from somewhere in the news a while back...) after the amount of deaths and whatnot started to rise. I think that even if we gave officers same caliber weapons as the criminals own, that it would still lead end up an arms race, albeit probably a lot slower; eventually the criminals would want to gain an upper hand now that the their advantage of more powerful weapons is no longer there, and then we would try to reach their level again, and then the criminals will again look for an advantage, and this would continue (again, this is my opinion)
Yeah, you do have some points that are valid. Although, I personally have never heard of a special law enforcement division that deals with gang members, maybe there are but yeah. To the 2nd part of your post, still, if they are around the same caliber guns, they will most likely be the highest caliber that the blackmarket offers in bulk quantitys/low price, therefore it would cancel out the ability to buy any higher until they found their hands on them one way or another.
Actually, you have a point there. Never occurred to me that there would eventually be a point where the bad guys couldn't get any more advanced weapons. Though, I wonder exactly what type of weaponry we would see when they reach that point =/
having better guns etc will save lives but then again also there will be oficers who are a bit trigger happy so there is always a up and down to it .. just like in london where some oficers where just trigger happy by shooting a colored lad to death just because they taught he was pulling a gun after he was declaired dead they had to see the mistake they made and find out he didnt even carry a gun neather was he a bad guy
If that scenario is the same that I am thinking about, then I wouldn't exactly call that being trigger happy - they thought that he was pulling out a weapon instead of his ID (if this is the same scenario I'm thinking about) because he could not communicate - and if you look at it like that (no response from the suspect, and he looks nervous, and he reaches inside his coat/pocket) then it could be justified - though they DID shoot him an unnecessary amount of times.
yeah ur thinking right .. but i think they should of shot his arms instead of killing him i mean u can disable him from pulling a gun other ways then what they did .. dont police get trained to shoot special arias to paralise a suspect without killing them ... but i am not meaning to point out this one insident its just there is always gone be one person who is gona be trigger happy where you thought my god i didnt expect that of him .. well in any way its a step forward but sometimes a step backwards
They did go overboard - I think they ended up shooting him with bullets number in the 20s or 30s. I'm not entirely sure, but I have a friend who recently became an officer, and from the way he talked about it, if it comes to the point where an officer has to shoot a person, then the safety of others is a first priority and they try to take the suspect down as quick as possible. I also believe they aim for the torso since it is the largest target. And I'll agree with you in that there certainly will be the odd officer (probably first time in that kind of situation) that jumps the gun.