-agrees with ste- Isn't cracked accounts like stolen accounts? And if it is; why would a cheating community ever have to do with stolen accounts? Accounts that aren't rightfully yours. You take them and you sell. That is just wrong. I don't see what benefit there are with cracked accounts. And if they are please do explain. Cracked account are slightly cheaper. Wow. Would that be enough reason to allow it back? Because the chat is dead ? No, I still don't think that's a good way to go. And heya. cigarettes a whole different thing. If you buy them you smoke. If you don't smoke you don't buy them. In that process of you buying the cigarettes no one else was a victim in your purchase. With cracked accounts it is. You "steal" them from others and sell them. It's like a thief stealing your belongings what you earned after you worked a whole day to get money to pay for them. And then he would run off and sell it. ^ that's exactly what you are trying to allow, which in my opinion should not be allowed.
I think we don't need to be radical. Let's just unban cracked accounts and install some regulations (tell the seller to specify how long he got it and if it's a cracked account) And make a day for it lol. Or a week. Like a "SELLING CRACKED ACCOUNTS week" which will be 7 days a month or something. But that's just my oppinion :maha:
I think we should be. Cracked accounts are morally wrong. And you and all those who voted yes darn know it. Why would you allow it? If you said yes. tell me why? And besides I joined Neofriends because it is a cheating community. And not a scamming one. If it is, what is than so special on neofriends? I liked neofriends because it helped you get up on your feet. Not use someone else feet to walk. If you desperately need to sell your stolen accounts, there are plenty of other forums that you could use.
Not that it has anything to do with anything, but you're dead wrong. I've never bought, sold, lent, or traded a single thing on this or any other Neopets forum. This is what you call a "cheap rationalization". What that means is someone wants to do something wrong but doesn't want to feel bad about it or be looked down upon, so they offer up something trivial, illogical, and non-central to the issue as a justification. Which I predicted in my original response #2.
Well I am pretty new to this whole thing, I have been playing 8 year completely legit and struggled everyday to attempt to get anything. I cant restock to save my life so making np was real slow and time consuming. So someone told me about this site and I thought well you know Im going to give it a try. I dont ab Im too worried about getting caught, I like the fact that decent people can cheat a little to try and get a few things that normally they couldnt. I do however have an issue (if it means anything) with people hacking into someone elses account, stealing it and giving it to other people. Its one thing to cheat a little, its another to steal someone elses work and use it for yourself. I mean is it not bad enough that we are cheating, now we want to resort to using stolen/hacked accounts? The little green eyed monster is a terrible thing to shake off your back, I vote no, absolutely not. Im a new cheater not a thief
I think Coldness has a point. NF has become special because of its got some morals that have rooted themselves at the core of it. Would re-introducing them to the site alter who we are? But at the same time, I voted yes purely for the reason it could bring more activity to NF. And I've got no morals when it comes to pixels, no matter how much I adore them. I was in the same boat as sinful - I was making about 500k a year... now in the short time I've been here I've made about 5 mil frim selling pets/accounts. This place is incrdible!
I really don't see a problem with selling cracked accounts as cracked accounts. It's when they're sold under false pretenses that issues come up, because people think they're buying a legit account, someone dogs them and they get, worst case scenario, IP banned. When selling them purely as accounts that are illegitimate gains, people should know the risks, or should be told the risks before they even consider them. Personally, I think they're great! I've barely done any ABing at all since they were banned, solely for the reason that I don't want to pay for legit shells, and I'm too lazy to age some for myself. At the very least, we should re-allow account dumps in the private forums (I+, or III+ if you're worried about some people complaining about freezings or something) - because then no one can complain for taking accounts, and those with a large excess of FLPed/CGed accounts can unload some of them and give back to the community Will out.
And this is one of the examples i have to prove my case. People stopped cheating the same once they couldn't get cracked accounts. They should be some rules behind it obviously, but you lose your account to these flp's and scams, you have to be pretty informed or just plain stupid. These things yells "Give me your account" but people still believe them... Also, like i said, they're usually junk. And all your doing by saying i'm trying to rationalize it is crap. You can't except the truth, so you make up crap to say i'm still wrong. I used to be in that business, I know what I got... They were good for abing, and occationally, the older ones could be mains, or secondary mains. And cirgerrettes harm the ones you smoke them around, that was my point. It dosen't harm anyone when sold, just like cracked accounts, but when they are used, they harm.
one thing i don't get from reading all these posts is how can you be too lazy to age your own shells? all you do is spend 30 minutes making 6-7 shells and then sit for 4 months... i didn't think that was a bunch of work especially since the amount of time most of the people here spend on the forums is much much more than the time it would take once a month to get a decent amount of shells to ab on for a month unless you plan on throwing them away, in which case you might have to spend another 30 minutes to make 6-7 more shells in the same month(ZOMG THAT'S SO MUCH WORK!!!) now that doesn't show my stance on cracked accounts, while i personally don't support them and won't buy them even if they are reinstituted, it did make the forums alot more active and a lot more fun to be on because we were more active. So while most of the high ranking mods are against it because this is a cheating forum and not a scamming forums i think for now it would be a good idea to allow the selling of cracked accounts so we can get more and new people that will hopefully begin to contribute to the forum either in programs, guides, or whatever else. And this could possibly bring around more people that can make legit shells and if that does happen we might be able to find a couple of people that will find the time to make large batches of legit shells and we can hopefully back off the cracked accounts again once the forum is a little more active.
I don't think the issue has been that people are to lazy to make extra accounts, it's just that they are to impatient to wait for them to age, or they are in need of them earlier than the accounts are aged. The need of aged accounts will never go away and even if people were to make those accounts, they'll be frozen in a matter of weeks (probably) so they'll be out looking for more accounts again.
Frankly, it is quite a bit of time! First you have to find quality proxies, then you have to create, activate, etc all these accounts I think finding a good proxy really DOES take time Also, everyone, looking at it from a fledgling economics student, I say cheating (at least ABing) is scamming. There are two kinds of costs: accounting cost and opportunity cost. Now, by scamming someone out of a FQD, that would be an accounting loss, they lose 1.4mil However, there is also an opportunity loss, the opportunity to lend to all their friends (no NP amount there). If you scam someone of their account, they suffer the economic cost of about 400k So now let's venture into ABing. No one looses any money, right? There is no accounting loss. We are scamming whoever would have legitly gotten the items, though They have an opportunity loss. There were two opportunities they miss... they could have spent their time else where, and there is the opportunity of the NP. So by cheating with an autobuyer, we are scamming the legit RSers. The same applies to auto- adopters, kad feeders, USABers, auction snipers, etc My two cents
actually if use a program like TOR finding a decent proxy that's good enough to create an account is as simple as clicking the "find a new identity" button and it gives you a new proxy and the 99.99% of the time will last long enough for you to creat and activate a neo account, and seriously? you'll probably spend more time making the emails than you will actually making and activating neo accounts..
Nevermind the questions of right or wrong and what Neofriends would become if cracked accounts were allowed here... anyone that follows someone who writes like this ^ should seriously have their head examined.
I appreciate it, I'll have to go find info about TOR btw, if you use yopmail.net, you don't need to create emails Let's not turn this into a mud-flinging fight... I'm not saying it started with you, because it's hard to say where it started... but I don't believe Heya's writing style is important to whether or not the points are valid Just a friendly reminder that this is a suggestion instead of a demand because it isn't fully explored yet
"And all your doing by saying i'm trying to rationalize it is crap. You can't except the truth, so you make up crap to say i'm still wrong." <------ valid point? or "Hello, I got left behind in 6th grade"? I don't know what qualities you look for in a leader, but how much mind I pay to someone's opinion is directly linked to 1) how intelligent they are and 2) how they present themselves. Does that comment say volumes about Heya, the topic starter? Yes it does. If that somehow doesn't mean anything to you, then I guess vive la difference.
Okay, this topic is getting a bit "hot". Please calm down, it's a peaceful discussion we should be having, not a war between two factions. And my view on this suggestion is that whether scammed stuff is moral or not, you can still live with it and just ignore it. What I'm trying to say is that you could be against it, but others would actually benefit from this as they would pay less for accounts and other things (if they are okay with buying cracked things). Don't you dislike how Nike shoes are made by underpaid children in Africa and in South America? Yet, people still buy them. It's morally wrong, that's right, everyone knows it. But you are still living with it, there's nothing you can do. You can't go into a Nike shop and yell "I don't want these shoes being sold!" and expect that the situation would resolve magically. What you can do is not buy that brand of shoes, in other words ignore it. That's what, in my opinion, should be done. Allowing cracked accounts under strict regulations (seller must state how and when it was obtained and other details to prevent misunderstandings) would be the best thing. Those who are against it will be ignoring it, while those who are okay with it will have the possibility to get benefits. Discussions about cracking/scamming would still be highly disallowed, though.
Could not of said it better my self.. Im in full support of allowing it again but do it as ricky has said.. I think it will make the neofriends eco better and a more active black market
An important thing to note on this topic is that disallowing the sale of cracked/stolen accounts on NeoFriends will not stop the cracking and theft of accounts. Yes, it's unfortunate for the people that have their stuff stolen, but if people want to crack and sell accounts they're still going to do it, they'll just sell them somewhere else. If our forum could benefit from their sale taking place here rather than elsewhere, then why not? If you disagree with it, don't participate in it. Yes, such a sentiment is morally repugnant, and just so you all know, I don't agree with stealing accounts and I certainly won't be stealing them or buying them myself, but all the real world analogies floating around this thread are entirely irrelevant because this isn't the real world we're talking about - it's just Neopets. We're talking about swiping someone's virtual pet account, not breaking their living room window and making off with their flatscreen. Plus - to build on something Dreamlorde said earlier - this entire argument may be pointless from the start; everyone has already made up their minds, no one here is going to change anyone's mind by spouting their various analogies and insights. Appealing to a person's sense of justice when said person is advocating theft & the sale of stolen goods is not going to work. If the pro-unban people are in the majority (which it appears they are), then the entire debate is pointless because any final poll held will simply result in their victory. Best to not waste your time wringing your hands and crying about it.
So copying homework should be allowed? Its just homework after all. No one is significantly hurt, while someone person benefits. And kids are going to do it regardless of whether its allowed. Why not allow that? Its not about convincing other people to switch their opinions. Its about getting your voice heard so we, the mods, can see how the forum as a whole stands on the issue.
Shut the fuck up bitch. I've had it with your bullshit, really. Stop fucking attacking me. And mods, how has no action been taken? Warning, or something for that. It was completely out of line and unnecessary. The way i said that was not like a cakein 6th grader, I said straight up what your doing. Your saying BS to rationalize what i'm saying. Also, a 6th grader wouldn't know what the word rationalize means, so you fail. Go fuck off.