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Your opinion on Arabs (and Muslims)

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by iggypop, Dec 16, 2009.

  1. brisk

    brisk Level I

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    I once met an arab girl when I was younger (before 9/11) . there really isn't different, now people act so paranoid. they are the same person. its like saying, all blacks have big lips, all whites are rednecks, all mexicans eat beans, and all muslims/arabs are terrorist, just because someone does something wrong it takes a toll in the whole group.
     
  2. sorrowniteshade

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    My friend is in afghanistan and he says the afghan children are funny, and really nice. lol.
    But he said all the older ones, are lame. but i think that's just cause he is in the military and what not.
     
  3. purple315

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    Hey, here's some examples of random things that make me like white people less and less. It makes me think they haven't advanced since the stone age.

    The Holocaust
    The KKK
    Chernobyl
    Sarajevo

    It's just pathetic.
     
  5. iggypop

    iggypop Level I

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    muslim countries? what muslim country has shot missiles at israel? i think you mean militant groups?
    let my rant begin:
    sure, militant groups shoot missiles but have you seen the missiles they use? they're like practically home made and they're extremely hard to aim. versus israel who gets so called 'defensive' weapons and warplanes from the US for so called defensive attacks. israel has PURPOSEFULLY attacked UN shelter homes and extremely densely populated areas filled with civilians.
    "The report shows that Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups fired hundreds of rockets into southern Israel, killing three Israeli civilians, injuring scores and driving thousands from their homes."
    "The scale and intensity of the attacks on Gaza were unprecedented. Some 300 children and hundreds of other unarmed civilians who took no part in the conflict were among the 1,400 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces."

    Obviously you can see in the drastic difference of casualties who is attacking in more dense areas, and with better weapons. 300 children! They aren't involved in the conflict! And you can't say that they 'didn't mean to' or that the militants were using the civilians as cover because:

    In Gaza: "Most were killed with high-precision weapons, relying on surveillance drones which have exceptionally good optics, allowing those observing to see their targets in detail. Others were killed with imprecise weapons, including artillery shells carrying white phosphorus – not previously used in Gaza - which should never be used in densely populated areas."

    Completely heartless. They knew that they were killing innocent people but they obviously didn't mind.

    "Amnesty International found that the victims of the attacks it investigated were not caught in the crossfire during battles between Palestinian militants and Israeli forces, nor were they shielding militants or other military objects. Many were killed when their homes were bombed while they slept. Others were sitting in their yard or hanging the laundry on the roof. Children were struck while playing in their bedrooms or on the roof, or near their homes. Paramedics and ambulances were repeatedly attacked while attempting to rescue the wounded or recover the dead."

    All the quotes are from: http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-upda ... g-20090702
    and here's another article: http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-upda ... e-20091227

    Also i just want to mention something...cause i just heard it on the news and they were WAY off base. I'm sure a bunch of you guys heard of the guy in Denmark who drew the cartoon of the prophet Muhammed PBUH with a bomb as a turban. the anchor on the news report i just heard said that muslim countries were angry because it insulted Islam. That may be a small part of the problem but the HUGE problem that muslims had with the cartoon is that in islam, you are not allowed to depict the prophet muhammed PBUH in a drawing. That's what the problem is and they don't even mention that in the stupid news cast. grrr.
     
  6. purple315

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    Well you cannot say white people in general. I'm Jewish and white. That knocks off the top two. What does a nuclear meltdown have to do with this? Sarajevo - I do not know much about this but it sounds like Europians seiged a Bosnia city.

    But if you want me to rant about things I do not like about Islamic countries i will.

    To start it off, a list of terrorist groups off the top of my head.

    Ansar al-Islam
    Al-Qaeda
    Hamas
    Hizbollah
    Abu Nidal
    Abu Sayyaf
    Al-Aqsa Martyrs
    GIA
    Asbat al-Ansar
    Harakat ul-Mujahidin
    Hezbollah
    IMU
    Jemaah Islamiya
    Al-Jihad

    If i wanted to, i could probably find a list of 1000 different Islamic terrorist groups.

    There are countless videos of different Islamic peoples making horrible anti-semetic comments about Jews in public. Things like they should all die, we will kill them all, they are evil, and the list goes on. I would like you to find me a video of a Jewish person saying this about Muslims.

    I could rant and rant but i will stop at this.
     
  7. purple315

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    muslim countries? what muslim country has shot missiles at israel? i think you mean militant groups?
    let my rant begin:
    sure, militant groups shoot missiles but have you seen the missiles they use? they're like practically home made and they're extremely hard to aim. versus israel who gets so called 'defensive' weapons and warplanes from the US for so called defensive attacks. israel has PURPOSEFULLY attacked UN shelter homes and extremely densely populated areas filled with civilians.
    "The report shows that Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups fired hundreds of rockets into southern Israel, killing three Israeli civilians, injuring scores and driving thousands from their homes."
    "The scale and intensity of the attacks on Gaza were unprecedented. Some 300 children and hundreds of other unarmed civilians who took no part in the conflict were among the 1,400 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces."

    Obviously you can see in the drastic difference of casualties who is attacking in more dense areas, and with better weapons. 300 children! They aren't involved in the conflict! And you can't say that they 'didn't mean to' or that the militants were using the civilians as cover because:

    In Gaza: "Most were killed with high-precision weapons, relying on surveillance drones which have exceptionally good optics, allowing those observing to see their targets in detail. Others were killed with imprecise weapons, including artillery shells carrying white phosphorus – not previously used in Gaza - which should never be used in densely populated areas."

    Completely heartless. They knew that they were killing innocent people but they obviously didn't mind.

    "Amnesty International found that the victims of the attacks it investigated were not caught in the crossfire during battles between Palestinian militants and Israeli forces, nor were they shielding militants or other military objects. Many were killed when their homes were bombed while they slept. Others were sitting in their yard or hanging the laundry on the roof. Children were struck while playing in their bedrooms or on the roof, or near their homes. Paramedics and ambulances were repeatedly attacked while attempting to rescue the wounded or recover the dead."

    All the quotes are from: http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-upda ... g-20090702
    and here's another article: http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-upda ... e-20091227

    Also i just want to mention something...cause i just heard it on the news and they were WAY off base. I'm sure a bunch of you guys heard of the guy in Denmark who drew the cartoon of the prophet Muhammed PBUH with a bomb as a turban. the anchor on the news report i just heard said that muslim countries were angry because it insulted Islam. That may be a small part of the problem but the HUGE problem that muslims had with the cartoon is that in islam, you are not allowed to depict the prophet muhammed PBUH in a drawing. That's what the problem is and they don't even mention that in the stupid news cast. grrr.

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    1,184 people have been killed by Palestinian violence and terrorism since September 2000.

    This site has very nice statistics. I would suggest reading both graphs.

    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-%20 ... ism%20sinc

    In war there will always be civilion casualties. Especially when one of the sides is hiding as civilions (arab terrorist groups). They hide around civilions disguised as them hoping they won't be attacked for the obvious reason. Israelies didn't have much of a choice but to finally stand up and take charge.
     
  8. zaratuk

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    They are normal people to me. THere are Fanatic Muslim tend to put them all on the same boat with arabs
     
  9. chillin

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    I dont usually like muslum people but i have a friend whos a muslum hes pretty cool. i met him in my Psychology class. when i first met him i hated him (i think it was because i couldn't under stand him or his style of humor) but eventually we became good friends and hang out often now.

    and plus he likes to party so that was a big plus for mine and his friendship.
     
  10. purple315

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    I'm not totally sure what you mean because of your grammar errors. Are you saying people tend to think of all arabs as extremists?

    If so, this is because there are many many extremist Muslims.
     
  11. chillin

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    yes thats what hes trying to say.
     
  12. Rix

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    It's the religious fanaticism and intolerance that give Muslims their 'tainted' image, and you have to admit it's tough to sometimes not be intimidated by such extremism..

    But something against Muslims in general - no.
     
  13. iggypop

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    i don't really understand what you are trying to point out. i am in no way denying that palestinian violence and terrorism has killed many israels but when you compare the number of israeli casualties and palestinian casualties, there have been way way way more palestinian deaths than israeli deaths. and the reason for that is mainly that israel uses high precision weapons in densely populated areas.

    i have recently read the book by former president of the united states, Jimmy Carter called Palestine: Peace not Apertheid and it is very insightful. He doesn't take sides at all. it is practically completely unbiased. But one thing that i picked up on the surprised me is that at one point when israel invaded lebanon, they were using weapons provided from the US. the use of US weapons illegally, because they are only supposed to be used for defense against an attack, is supposed to result in an automatic cut off of all military aid to Israel. instead Jimmy Carter warned Israel Prime Minister Begin to get out of lebanon before he reported them. (p.144)
     
  14. ilovevicky

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    Being honest and blunt I hate the muslim religion, Its not about the people its about the way they are. Black people chineese spanish pick and mix anything would be welcome to join my family but with a muslim they "stick" with there own they can only marry muslims and most of the time they actually marry there own cousins.
    There is a high rate of children with birth defects in the uk most related to the fact they are too closely related.
    End of storry until they change my opinions of them will not.
     
  15. purple315

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    I do agree Israelies use high precision weapons but I think it's partly because they have to show terrorists they are not afraid to do whatever to take them down. Think about this. Israel is surrounded by many Arab countries that have attacked Israel before (not talking about terrorists atm.) But there are also many terrorists in the countries. Israel is tiny compared to all the countries except Jourdan. The population is much much much smaller too. Israel basically has no other choice. If they go in with light guns many of them will be killed and they will appear a little bit weaker. Israel cannot afford to lose soldiers because of so few they have compared to the countries around them. If they appear weaker, there will be even more terrorist attacks.
     
  16. iggypop

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    can you give examples of other countries that have attacked israel?
    i don't understand how attacking a large number of civilians and a mediocre amount of terrorists causes you to save israeli soldiers. in fact, if you attack them, it is only going to cause them to attack you.
    you cannot justify every attack by saying that it is in retaliation. your 'defensive' strategies cease to become defensive when your blowing up areas and buildings that don't cause you harm.
    btw, they're isn't much hand to hand combat using guns in israel/palestine. the majority of casualties are victims of bombings.
     
  17. purple315

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    I know there is not much hand to hand combat. That is what i was saying. And you make it sound like Israel is just trying to kill civilians. Reread what i wrote because I don't think you get anything I said. What i said was Israel has to attack terrorists with heavy weapons because if they did hand to hand combat everytime they would lose many many soldiers. You don't understand how terrorist groups dress and act like civilians then ambush their enemys? They have no other choice because Israel won't know either way which ones are terrorists or civilians till they kill the Israelie soldiers. There is no other alternative. You're saying if Israel doesn't attack the terrorist groups they will attack Israel less? That makes no sense. Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq all attacked Israel.
     
  18. Rix

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    With the whole Israel/Palestine conflict, both sides are extremely at fault. You won't be able to declare one side the victim and the other one the oppressor very clearly, as they both have committed atrocities.
     
  19. Heya

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    One of my best friends is Muslim. He's showed me that they are basically the same as us. Most of us believe in some god, but what if the god(s) are all just the same. I know in some religions, they believe in multiple gods, but what if that was just like Jesus and Mosses, and they considered them gods too instead of profits, and gave them different names. I think all that really matters is what YOU believe in, and if someone else doesn't believe in the same thing, there's no reason to hate them. We can't 100% prove anything we believe in, that's why we believe in different things.

    In society today, Muslims are made out to be the scum of the earth, when in reality, a lot of Muslims are really really smart. Obviously, much smarter then the ones that create airport security checks...

    A lot of Muslims hate America cause we destroyed everything they had. We had no right to take over Iraq, other then the possibility of these so called "weapons of mass destruction" that they were told to destroy after the the gulf war (or some war like that, i forget which one). We had no proof of them, yet we marched all over their faces, and killed all these inesent people. The US are the real terrorists... But the government lies, makes up lies, and tells the US citizens this is the truth when they know its complete bull crap.

    I know there are a lot of terrorists, my Muslim friend has been with them, seen them, and talked to them. His way of putting it is there's not a lot of them, but there's enough of them, and they are just crazy nuts that take their religion too far, and believe crap that's not in their religion. They think god put them on this earth to do crazy things like blow up airplanes, and what not. Him, and every non-terrorist Muslim hate terrorists. They make Muslims look bad, when in reality, they are just like you or me.

    Simply put, every 9/10 Muslims you meet are really nice people. A lot has to do with their religion. They are taught to be nice, and bring good to the world. Its the crazy ones that take blowing up planes and buildings as good.
     
  20. iggypop

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    i definitely agree that israel has to attack using heavy bombing etc. but my point is that NOTHING justifies killing thousands of civilians. what i'm trying to point out is that however bad the terrorist groups are (and they are horrible) they aren't killing the same amount of innocent people as israelis are.

    and can i just say that i in no way defend anything militant groups do. i'm just trying to point out the facts. in fact, i think war is useless and silly.